Hey, friends, welcome to a special extended conversation on how biblically we should think about hell.

The topic of hell has actually been heating up, and yes, that pun was intended.

There's been a lot of conversation between the traditional view, what's known as the eternal conscious torment or eternal conscious

punishment, and what's called annihilationism or conditional immortality that says,

at some point after the final judgment, death entails nonbelievers will seize existing

and no longer live. I invited into the studio, Paul Copan, a philosopher who takes a traditional view,

and Chris Date, who takes what's called Annihilationism, and he's a leading proponent of this view

to walk through the six main biblical texts that scholars debate about this.

And what's fun is we had an audience at the end, about 20, 30 minutes.

We had a dozen of our Biola and Talba students to ask questions as well.

So prepare yourself.

This is a deep dive longer than normal, but this topic warrants it.

And I think you're really going to enjoy the interaction from the students as well. Is hell an eternal conscious state of suffering?

Or sometime after final judgment, does God annihilate unbelievers? Or is there a third option?

It's no secret that the debate on hell is heating up today

we have two leading scholars on the topic of hell who have co-edited a book together paul copan and

chris date and the book is titled concerning hell we also have a studio audience of biola and talbot students with us who are eager to ask questions after our conversation.

And what we're going to do uniquely, I think, is we've got some opening questions for you, but really want to kind of dial into the biblical passages in some depth, especially since this is Talba School Theology

and the Bible Institute of Los Angeles.

Thanks for both of you for flying in from Washington all the way from the East Coast in Florida

to be here in studio.

Appreciate you guys coming.

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