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It was September 3rd, 1987, and in Oklahoma City, two sisters, 25-year-old Cheryl

Ginzer and 16-year-old Lisa Pennington were hanging out together at the Oklahoma State Fair.

Cheryl had recently separated from her husband, Mike, but according to what her mother

Charlotte later told reporters was taking it in stride,

she was staying with a friend of hers and had told her mom just that day when they had coffee

together that she was looking for a job painting houses.

Cheryl was petite, five foot three and a hundred pounds with long black hair.

Lisa was taller, five foot eight and 140 pounds with blonde hair and green

eyes. Cheryl was more outgoing. Lisa was quieter and loved music, especially Motley crew. Her mother,

Charlotte, told the Oklahoma in 2007, Charlotte indicated that everything seemed fine with both of her girls that day.

At the fair that night, Cheryl and Lisa were with their brother, Alan, and his girlfriend.

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