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The Good Fight

Helen Joyce on Youth Gender Medicine

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

News

4.6907 Ratings

🗓️ 11 May 2024

⏱️ 81 minutes

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Summary

Yascha Mounk and Helen Joyce discuss the evidence base for the use of puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones in young people. Helen Joyce is an Irish journalist and the Director of Advocacy at Sex Matters. She is the author of Trans: When Ideology Meets Reality. In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Helen Joyce discuss the findings of an independent review by Hilary Cass of gender identity services for children and young people in the United Kingdom; how government and public health institutions in the UK have come to take a more skeptical view of gender-affirming care for young people than in the US; and the need for a more thoughtful and nuanced approach to trans issues which considers the rights and safety of all individuals involved. This transcript has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity. Please do listen and spread the word about The Good Fight. If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following this link on your phone. Email: [email protected] Website: http://www.persuasion.community Podcast production by Jack Shields, and Brendan Ruberry Connect with us! Spotify | Apple | Google Twitter: @Yascha_Mounk & @joinpersuasion Youtube: Yascha Mounk LinkedIn: Persuasion Community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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The Economist provides independent journalism for independent thinking and has been

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championing progress for almost 200 years.

0:08.3

With the Economist, you gain access to fact-based, deeply researched expert analysis of world events and topics

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ranging from business and culture to politics, science and technology.

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Tune into the global conversation with reporting from correspondence around the world, available in-app, online, through

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podcasts and print.

0:26.6

So for fact-sake, search the economist.

0:31.2

The interim report came out about two years ago, in from the Cass Review and already it was clear that it was going to be quite critical overall.

0:38.0

We were hoping that like we those of us who were worried about the way that gender medicine proceeds, especially in

0:43.2

pediatric clinics, were hoping that she would give further credence to the arguments we've been making

0:48.6

for years that this is not really medicine, that children are being subjected to an uncontrolled experiment on a

0:55.0

basis of shodier and no evidence and she really said all of that.

0:58.3

And now the good fight with Yasha Monk. Like many of you I imagine I've been following the protests at American universities which have now spread around the globe

1:16.4

somewhat closely.

1:18.4

I have two observations about them.

1:20.8

The first is that we should remember that the basic cause of the protesters is in principle a noble one,

1:30.0

that it's possible to be horrified by the terrible Hamas attack on Israeli civilians on

1:37.0

October 7th, but also to be pained and horrified by the large number of civilian casualties in the Gaza Strip over the course of the last month.

1:49.0

That makes it all the sadder that core parts of this protest movement have not been able, not been

1:55.8

willing to distance themselves from its extreme elements, that it is organized in good

2:02.3

part by an organization that celebrated a master's attack in the immediate aftermath of October 7th, that slogans like globalize the intifada have become mainstream at these protests.

2:18.0

The second point I want to make is that universities are now paying the price for their failure to enforce a clear set of rules around free speech over the course of the last years and decades.

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