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Hegseth Demanded They Sign a Pledge or Get Out. She Left. (w/ Mallory Shelbourne)

Bulwark Takes

The Bulwark

News, Politics, Society & Culture, News Commentary

4.71.2K Ratings

🗓️ 16 October 2025

⏱️ 17 minutes

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Summary

Joe Perticone talks with Pentagon reporter Mallory Shelbourne about the Defense Department’s new “pledge” that forced dozens of journalists to turn in their badges. They break down how Pete Hegseth’s team clamped down on press access, why even conservative outlets refused to sign, and what this means for freedom of the press in America.

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0:00.0

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0:26.6

Today we're doing the video with Mallory Shelburne, who is a reporter for USNI News and is also

0:33.2

on the board of directors at military reporters and editors, or MRE. And we're going to talk a little bit

0:39.1

about what happened with the Pentagon basically demanding that reporters sign a pledge and

0:45.8

a lot of them ended up turning in their badges. And so, Mallory, thanks for coming on.

0:51.5

Thanks for having me, Joe. So you've been a reporter at the Pentagon for years, and when you're not embedded with

0:57.4

foreign militaries or flying over the South China Sea, you're in the Pentagon.

1:01.9

And can you sort of walk us through how this came about?

1:06.2

I guess since the inauguration, they've gotten more strict about press access in the Pentagon.

1:12.4

The Heg-Seth tenure has really sought to impose a lot more restrictions on media.

1:17.9

And so how did this begin and kind of bring us to where we are now?

1:21.5

Sure. So this all started back in January, February, right after the inauguration.

1:28.4

They issued some guidance saying that they were going to move several outlets out of their

1:35.7

work spaces in the Pentagon.

1:38.0

Pentagon reporters have had badges and worked out of the building for decades.

1:42.7

And the TV networks have booths in there with

1:46.2

hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of equipment. They're able to do live shots in there.

1:52.1

So several news outlets were told that they needed to rotate out of their spaces. They were not

1:57.9

losing their badges, but they were losing their workspace.

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