Hedera Hashgraph Goes Public as Governing Council Deploys Nodes | Leemon Baird & Mance Harmon
Hidden Forces
Demetri Kofinas
4.8 • 1.6K Ratings
🗓️ 16 September 2019
⏱️ 100 minutes
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Summary
In Episode 100 of Hidden Forces, Demetri Kofinas speaks with Hedera Hashgraph founders Leemon Baird and Mance Harmon about Open Access, now that the network has officially gone public. This is the go-to-episode for anyone looking to understand the public ledger and why Fortune 100 companies like IBM, Deutsche Telekom, Boeing, and others have joined Hedera's Governing Council.
As a seed investor in Hedera Hashgraph, Demetri's involvement with the public ledger goes back to September 2017, when he first invited Leemon Baird onto Hidden Forces to discuss the Hashgraph Whitepaper. Weeks later, Demetri put on an event at the Assemblage NoMad where Mance Harmon joined a panel alongside two other members of the executive team. The panel explored the innovation of Hashgraph consensus, specifically virtual voting and gossip-about-gossip. On March 13th, 2018, Leemon and Mance announced the launch of Hedera Hashgraph at an event in New York City, and on August 1st, 2018, news of the ledger's $6 Billion valuation was made public. Six months later, Hedera announced the initial group of Governing Council Members, and six months after this IBM, Tata Communications, FIS, and Boeing were announced as having joined Hedera's Governing Council as well. Two years since Leemon Baird first appeared on Hidden Forces to share the news about Hashgraph, Hedera has finally gone public. Open Access also marks the beginning of Hedera's strategic 15-year coin distribution, with HBAR tokens beginning to be released on exchanges in the US and Asia.
This recording is meant to be the go-to-episode for anyone looking to understand Hedera Hashgraph DLT and the functions of the Hedera Governing Council. Demetri also references a back-and-forth on Twitter between him, Hedera's technical lead, and a number of Hedera skeptics resulting from a medium post by writer and blockchain enthusiast Eric Wall. Hedera's technical lead, Paul Madsen, responded with his own posts. Demetri has encouraged anyone interested in learning more about Hedera Hashgraph to engage with the team through their Telegram channel, as well as on Twitter.
Relevant Timecodes:
00:11:53 Governing Council Announcements
00:14:08 Hedera Consensus Service with Hyperledger Foundation
00:16:50 What is Finality?
00:18:57 Probabilistic Consensus: The Problem with Not Having Finality
00:20:25 Proof of Work Slows Us Down
00:21:51 How is This Possible?
00:28:57 Coq Proof
00:34:05 Theoretical Competitors to Hashgraph
00:35:59 Database Sharding
00:44:15 Proof-of-Stake vs. Proof-of-Work
00:49:39 Hedera Proxy Staking (POS)
00:50:58 Private vs. Public Networks /Permissioned vs. Permissionless Databases
00:52:35 Path to Decentralization
00:53:45 Market Capitalization & Network Security
00:56:16 Addressing Scams
00:58:47 Theoretical Attacks, Proxy Staking & HBARS
01:06:12 Network Fees
01:08:08 How Governance Works in Hedera
01:10:07 Governing Council: "Can's" and "Can'ts"
01:17:19 Ownership of HBARS
01:19:21 Stability: Open Source vs. Open Review
01:27:29 Regulatory Approach: Squeaky Clean
01:31:32 Use Cases
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| 0:00.0 | Hey everyone. I've given you guys time codes to navigate the content more efficiently in the |
| 0:05.1 | description, but there are some important updates in the intro that you won't want to miss, |
| 0:10.1 | especially if you're already familiar with permissionless blockchains like |
| 0:14.3 | Bitcoin for example because although we do make comparisons between |
| 0:19.2 | Hadera and Bitcoin during the episode it's important to be absolutely clear that even though |
| 0:26.2 | Hedera's network goes public today and I discussed this during the intro, it |
| 0:30.8 | remains a hybrid system on the permission side with a roadmap to becoming |
| 0:35.9 | permissionless, which involves its own challenges, which we get into during the full episode. |
| 0:41.4 | So the comparison is imperfect, and I want you guys to always keep that in mind. |
| 0:46.2 | Heddera and Bitcoin serve entirely different use cases and if you want to learn more about |
| 0:51.3 | Bitcoin I've done some great episodes on it with |
| 0:54.8 | Pierre Rashard, episode 75, and more recently with Nick Carter, a great episode on |
| 1:00.2 | Bitcoin's ontology, number 97. so be sure to check those out as well. |
| 1:06.1 | Also, for Hidden Forces patrons, I'm giving you guys early access to an episode that I recently recorded and which won't be released for a few more weeks. |
| 1:15.6 | So look for that on your overtime feed. |
| 1:18.4 | And for anyone who's new to the show, you can find out more about our Patreon subscription and about how you can support the |
| 1:25.1 | podcast at Patreon.com slash Hidden Forces where you can also get a full transcript to |
| 1:31.8 | this week's episode along with the show rundown. |
| 1:35.1 | These are educational documents full of links and references to material covered during |
| 1:40.4 | the podcast. |
| 1:42.0 | And with that, please enjoy this week's episode. What's up everybody? The episode you're about to hear was recorded on the |
| 2:07.8 | 16th of May during consensus week in New York City. A redacted version of this episode has been available to Hidden |
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