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Alright, let's get to camp. It's time. It's camp time.

Hello, Sarah Marshall. Hello, Alex, Steve. Welcome, friends.

To you are good feelings podcast movies, Sarah. A movie's feeling about podcasts. A movie's feeling. Yes.

About heavyweights. Yes. Sarah Marshall. Tell us about what we're diving into and why we're diving into it.

We're jumping on to the blob and then another kid is going to dive in. We are talking about heavyweights with our friend Carmen Maria Machado.

This is a fabulous episode where everything went wrong and it sold turned out great, just like in heavyweights.

Yeah, we had a number of recording issues on several ends, one of them being mine. And I just leave the conversation you both soldiered on and made a delightful conversation occur.

I sent us an email at the time you're like, go on without me. It was the hiking, the apple action trail. The show must go on. What were some highlights for you in this conversation?

Well, I entered this conversation being like, I love this movie. I think it's so sweet. I love it's hard and it's kindness.

I'm not a fat person and so I'm not in a significant sense really qualified to say whether it handles it subject appropriately, which is a fat camp and then an insurrection at a fat camp.

And Carmen was our proudly fat lover of Fiona the hippo expert.

I wasn't speaking for anyone more than herself. I kind of went in being like, what is this like to watch as someone who is being depicted in a sense by a form of media that is typically so relentlessly unkind.

And she was like, yeah, this feels sweet to me too. So sharing a conversation just in that space like regardless of whether this movie does it or doesn't do it for other people.

This conversation in this like shared attitude of like to borrow the title of another wonderful show. How did this get made?

How did something so radically utopian get made in the 90s?

Yes, absolutely. I loved Carmen's take. This is really my first time in earnest with this movie. So I didn't know what to expect one way or another. And it was a great way to dive into it.

That's great. Yeah. And you know, summer is winding down. That's always a stressor for me. I still feel like a little dread in the pit of my stomach when I see back to school supplies on sale, even though I'm 33 years old.

To me anyway, there's a certain like extra layer of stress around this because our ability to freely congregate with those we love seems like it's going to be affected as it gets colder.

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