This is part one of a discussion Tim and I have about the biblical theme of heaven and

the biblical theme of earth and how they relate.

We made a video about this.

It's on our YouTube channel, youtube.com slash the Bible project.

It's a 5 minute animated video.

It gives you an overview of the idea.

And if you watch that video and you want to know more about what the Bible has to say

about heaven, God's space and earth, our space and how they connect, these are the conversations

for you.

And I'm so excited that you're listening to them.

They have been instrumental for me and my Christian faith.

Also the song playing, a lot of people have been asking is by a band called Tents.

Right here in Portland, they're really good friends of mine.

One of my favorite bands right now, you can find them, Tents band dot band camp dot com.

They have just a few tracks up there because it's a brand new band.

Alright, heaven and earth, part one, here we go.

Alright, where should we start?

The easiest place to start is where people in our culture, how they think about heaven.

And where did those ideas of this non material, kind of f and meryl reality in the clouds,

which is a gate where Peter's there.

Right.

And people are saying, yeah, my mind, it's so abstract that I know it's not clouds.

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