Let's talk what Heather DeRose starts now.

All right, well, as you're listening to this, I'm flying home from New York.

So I'm recording this early obviously and I am so

stretched in so many different directions right now. Oh my goodness. But all

really good exciting things. I had such a fun pitch meeting this week.

How to go? It went great and I'm really, I can't tell you too many details about it, but it's something I've been working on for a while and I have you know some interest. It's funny how people think think that these kinds of things like getting a show happens overnight.

You know, sometimes it takes years. Like remember my show, MILF that I had set up at E?

So it was an E show and then the pandemic, like the world closed down the week after it started, which is so crushing.

But I created that show in 2008 and the only reason I know and it didn't get on its

veto 20. And the only reason I know what the date was was because at that time I had this idea for this show and it

used to be called Milk, Moms I'd like to know and then we change it to Milk

Moms I'd like to friend, ha ha, milk. But anyway so I still might do a podcast like that. I don't know, we'll say. But anyway, so I in 2008, I was writing notes about it and sort of like figuring the show out and I was ripping pages out of magazines back when we used to read

magazines and at the bottom of the pages in a magazine it would say the year and so I have all these

magazine clippings clip to my notes for this show and that's how I know

When I came up with it, which is so funny to me, but anyway look how many years that took Terry, you know

License to Kill, I think he pitched it for eight years this is I mean I know it can take like a number of years but I mean 12 years that's an entire

kindergarten to 12th grade existence is that it true? But it's not like I was actively

hitching it or... You did the development, it's the entire process. But also, I mean, it was 2008, so Max and Nicky were five, and Cat was two, and Ace didn't exist.

So, I mean, I was busy.

You know what I mean? It wasn't like I was busy, you know what I mean?

It wasn't like I was like, well, let's go pitch,

you know, I'd probably talked about it with people,

...