Hello, everybody, and welcome to the Radical Canter podcast. I'm Kim Scott.

I'm Amy Sandler, and today we're picking up the conversation we had recently with Denise Hamilton,

where we focused on how we can overcome polarization at work so we can work together better.

And if you didn't listen to that recent

episode, we're going to put that in the show notes. Today, we are so excited to have Heather

McAwen join us. As we continue that conversation, Heather is a future of work strategist,

a keynote speaker, executive consultant, lecturer, and author of books,

including titles like Disrupt Together, The Adaptation Advantage, and the Empathy Advantage. All of those

things seem more important than ever. And so today we're talking with Heather about how did we get so divided, so distracted?

What does this mean for workplace performance?

And we really want to get into some practical tips so that leaders can develop more cohesion

and focus on their teams.

We might spend some time talking about the loneliness epidemic as well.

We'll see why Heather thinks this is such an important part of the challenges we're facing now.

So welcome Heather.

Hey there. Thanks so much for having me.

Thank you so much for joining us. And I always like to start. How did you and Kim connect?

Well, we were both at Baptist Health down in Miami. We were both keynote speakers at an event they had.

And I knew of Kim's work ahead of time. And I had sent her a note through one of our mutual agents.

And then we ended up having a nice conversation after we both stepped off stage.

And I think, you know, what we were saying worked really well together.

But Heather, one of the things you and I were talking about is it might have been better if you went first, which I agreed with. So why don't you,

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