Hey there folks, welcome to Socrates in the studio. I am thrilled to have as my guest, someone

who identifies as Heather McDonald, Heather. Welcome.

Yes, you're assiduously gender neutral on that.

I want to be very, very clear. That's how you identify, and I respect that. And I'm going to, the pronoun I'm

going to use as you. Uh-huh. No. You. Please. You singular, you people, or use for the plural.

I don't usually identify particularly female, but in this case I will. Okay, thank you. But I certainly

don't add fun of his male. Well, look, Heather, you have written many books.

The new book, which I've read recently, is called When Race Trump's Merit, How the Pursuit

of Equity Sacrifices, Excellence, Destroyes Beauty, and Threatens Lives.

Unfortunately, quite literally, when you read the book, that becomes clear. I want to talk to you

about the ideas in this book and the ideas in the diversity delusion. The problem is, where do we

start? Well, we can start with some recent news that the FAA is considering diversity-making race and gender a qualification for doing

air traffic control, which is showing that the diversity cult is now a death cult.

Well, we already knew that. This is just a new level of death. Yeah, right. It's like mass death from the skies. Exactly, exactly.

Right. Not just the death of standards, but yeah, the death, death on the roads. We're going to get that as well.

And we're also going to get death in the emergency rooms.

Okay. Just to begin this, you know, as broadly as possible, state up front the thesis of the book

so that I don't have to.

The thesis is that there is a dominant narrative in our society today that is threatening

Western civilization, and that narrative says that any racial disparities in any

institution is by definition a product of racism. No other explanations are allowed into the

public discourse. So let me give you some examples. If a medical school doesn't have 13%

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