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American Thought Leaders

Heather Mac Donald on the Tyre Nichols Case, Racism Red Herring, and Civilizational Breakdown

American Thought Leaders

The Epoch Times

Politics, Government, News

4.91.2K Ratings

🗓️ 21 February 2023

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

“Policing may enter a death spiral if racism remains the predominant explanation for the Tyre Nichols case,” says Heather Mac Donald. “It’s going to drive more people out of the profession … and it’s going to enter a vicious cycle.”

After a traffic stop on Jan. 7, Nichols, 29, attempted to flee and resisted police arrest. Video footage shows him being repeatedly beaten by several police officers. He required hospitalization and died three days later on Jan. 10.

“In this case, there’s no evidence of race coming in at all,” says Mac Donald, a Manhattan Institute fellow and author of “The War on Cops” and “The Diversity Delusion.”

“What it is an instance of is clearly incompetent officers that never should have been on the force and possibly, totally incompetent training. There’s two possibilities,” she says.

Mac Donald’s upcoming book is titled “When Race Trumps Merit.”

We discuss the assault on meritocracy, the erosion of education standards, and what she sees as the breakdown of civilization.

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0:00.0

In this case, there's no evidence of race coming in at all.

0:04.2

What it is an instance of is clearly incompetent officers

0:08.8

that never should have been on the force

0:10.7

and possibly totally incompetent training.

0:13.6

There's two possibilities.

0:15.1

Today, sit down with Manhattan Institute Fellow,

0:17.7

Heather McDonald, author of The War on Cops

0:20.6

and The Diversity Delusion.

0:22.4

Policing may enter a death spiral

0:24.7

if racism remains the predominant explanation

0:27.6

for the Tyree Nichols case.

0:29.2

It's going to drive more people out of the profession

0:31.9

and it's going to enter a vicious cycle.

0:34.4

Her upcoming book is titled When Race Trumps Marit.

0:37.7

You can either have meritocracy or you can have diversity.

0:41.0

You can't have both.

0:42.6

This is American Thought Leaders, and I'm Janja Kellek.

0:45.2

Heather McDonald, such a pleasure to have you back

0:50.0

on American Thought Leaders.

0:51.2

Thank you so much, Jan.

0:52.1

It's always a pleasure talking with you.

0:54.1

So I want to look at this whole Tyree Nichols attack

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