Heather Havrilesky, FOREVERLAND: On the Divine Tedium of Marriage

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Zibby Owens

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4.4 • 602 Ratings

🗓️ 8 June 2022

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

"When someone is standing in front of you loving you and saying, 'I'm not going anywhere,' that's when your avoidant self comes out and says, 'Get me the hell out of here.'" Columnist and author Heather Havrilesky joins Zibby to talk about her latest book, Foreverland: On the Divine Tedium of Marriage. The two discuss when Heather realized she was comfortable sharing intimate details about her marriage with the world, why certain reactions to the book have been particularly frustrating, and why she believes the sign of a successful marriage is death. Zibby also shares some of her favorite one-liners and how single people have been reacting to this project.

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0:00.0	Hi, this is Vivi Owens, and you're listening to the award-winning podcast. Moms don't have time to read books.
0:07.5	And speaking of books, I have two of my own books coming out this spring and summer.
0:12.7	Princess Charming is a picture book, which debuts on April 19th. And Bookends, a memoir of love, loss, and literature.
0:20.5	Comes out on July 1st, and it is truly a labor of love.
0:23.8	I hope you'll pre-order, order, and join me on tour as I go across the country.
0:28.5	You can find out more at zibbyowens.com or bookendsmemoir.com.
0:34.3	And you can follow me on Instagram at Zibby Owens because I always post about everything. Enjoy the show.
0:41.3	Heather Haverleski is the author of Foreverland on the Divine Teadium of Marriage. Heather is also
0:47.4	the author of What if This Were Enough? How to be a person in the world and disaster preparedness.
0:52.9	She writes the Ask Polly column for New York
0:54.9	magazine, as well as the newsletter, Ask Molly, and has written for The New Yorker, the Atlantic,
0:59.9	The New York Times Magazine, and NPRs all things considered among others. She was Salon TV's
1:04.9	critic for seven years. She lives in Los Angeles with her husband and their children.
1:09.5	Welcome, Heather. Thanks so much for coming
1:11.1	and mom's don't have time to read books to discuss Foreverland on the divine tedium of marriage.
1:16.4	Thanks, Suvie. I'm so happy to be here. This book had more amazing one-liners. Like, I feel like
1:22.1	I could have underlined every line. Like, you could have a whole Twitter account. In fact,
1:27.0	I went on your Twitter to see if
1:28.2	maybe you were already doing that. Like, you could just take all these one-liners and they should
1:32.9	all be tweets because they're so good. Anyway, I, you know, I should do that. You should do that.
1:38.6	That's the kind of thing that I don't generally do and I should do. You should because I feel like
1:43.6	they could all be on a T-shirt.
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