Hi, I'm Zibi Owens, and you're listening to the Webby-nominated podcast, Moms Don't Have Time to Read Books.

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Heather Hansen, who's the author of The Elegant Warrior, How to Win Life's Trials Without Losing Yourself,

a trial lawyer for over 20 years defending medical malpractice suits.

Heather is an advocacy and credibility consultant, keynote speaker, and host of the Elegant Warrior

podcast.

She has appeared on CNN, NBC, Fox News, and has lectured at Stanford University and

Villanova. Graduate of Stanford University and Villanova.

Graduate of American University and Villanova Law School. She currently lives in New York, so welcome, Heather. Thank you so much for having me, Zibia. I'm excited. Oh, thanks for coming on Mom's Don't Have Time to Read Books. And thanks for just having me on your amazing podcast as well. I was so excited to have you on, so it's a thrill. Oh. So can you tell listeners,

please, what The Elegant Warrior is about and what inspired you to write it? Sure. So for 20 years,

I've defended doctors and hospitals when they get sued. And while it's been a privilege and an honor,

it's also very stressful and hard in that trials are a zero-sum game. Someone wins and someone loses. And that means that sometimes it can get quite aggressive. And so I was finding that during those times of trial,

I wanted to maintain who I was and be true to the choices that I'd made about who I was,

even when things get hard and were at the

height of the conflict. And I found that some of the ways that I could do that in the courtroom also

applied outside the courtroom. I think that we are all our strongest advocates and the best person

to protect and champion ourselves. And so if you can take the tools of a trial lawyer and apply them to life so that you can do those things,

I think it would be helpful.

And I wrote the book to help people be able to do that.

And it was so great, too, the way you structured the book.

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