Hey 2020 fans, I'm Andy Mitchell and I'm Sabrina Koleberg.

We're co-hosts of a new show from ABC Audio and Good Morning America

called Pop Culture Moms.

We've been best friends for 20 years and pop culture

aficionados for even longer. On pop culture moms we're taking our

obsession with TV and movies to the next level, talking to celebrities, writers, and fellow scholars of pop culture

about what we can learn from the fictional moms they love most.

We're exploring the comedy and tragedy of what parenthood is like in real life.

We'd love to play you a clip from our episode with Real Housewives Star Heather Gay.

In the episode, Heather talks about how she relates to the Barbie movie and how she herself

broke out of the boxes of perfectionism that she was placed in.

Here comes the clip.

If you like it, I hope you'll click the link in our episode description

or search pop culture moms while you're listening

and follow the podcast to hear more.

It makes me cry right now because you know I kept saying like I'm doing this for my

daughters you know to give them options to give them other ways to do it and you realize

just like in the movie with America Frera like we're doing it for ourselves and then that's the reward is to see them develop and become who they are going to be the people they're going to be without context of a pre-assigned role or what a definition of

beauty, a definition of success, a definition of identity that they, you know, that was really

has been prescribed to a lot of us you

know as women growing up but like for them they have the independence and

freedom to just make their own way and I I love that so much that's like so we'll see I'll see friends now like and even like my

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