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The Documentary Podcast

Heart and Soul: Swiss Christians and conversion therapy

The Documentary Podcast

BBC

Documentary, Society & Culture

4.32.7K Ratings

🗓️ 16 June 2023

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

There’s a debate raging in Switzerland over a potential nationwide ban on so-called conversion therapy. We meet Christians whose lives the procedure has changed forever. They explain how growing up in an Evangelical community, they struggled with their faith and sexuality from a young age – driving them to seek help. So-called conversion therapy has been around for centuries. The controversial practice is used around the world to try to change a person’s sexual orientation or gender identity. The issue has become a hot topic in in Switzerland, and the parliamentary process to potentially enact a nationwide ban is underway. Claire Jones meets the Christians working to change the law, and those who are against a legislative ban.

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It's a bright and blustery day in Geneva and crowds are gathering near the Mont Blanc bridge

0:34.6

for an important annual event. Today is the International Day against

0:40.3

homophobia, bifobia and transphobia and it's always a day we commemorate here in Geneva.

0:47.7

I'm here in Switzerland to meet Adrian Steffelm. He's an LGBTQ plus activist who's spent the

0:54.8

majority of his adult life trying to understand his sexuality and his relationship to God.

1:01.8

The opening of this day always starts here to commemorate the death of Bartolomitessia

1:07.6

who was a young man of 15 years old that was drowned in the river here in Geneva for being gay

1:15.2

in the 16th century. But I'm also talking to Adrian about a controversial practice which is often

1:26.7

rooted in religious communities. So-called conversion therapy refers to any practice that aims to

1:33.4

change someone's sexual orientation or gender identity. I'm Claire Jones and this is the documentary

1:41.2

from the BBC World Service. In this episode of Heart and Soul which explores personal

1:46.7

approaches to spirituality from around the world, I'm in Switzerland to speak to people affected

1:52.0

by so-called conversion therapy. And just to warn you, this programme contains references to suicide.

1:59.6

Now after the ceremony we usually go to the river and it's exactly the river and the place

2:06.1

where this young man Bartolomitessia was drowned. We all take flowers and all two flowers in the river

2:15.6

in his memory.

2:28.4

In Switzerland forms of so-called conversion therapy include prayers and talking therapies

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