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The Documentary Podcast

Heart and Soul: Corruption in the Curia

The Documentary Podcast

BBC

Society & Culture, Documentary, Personal Journals

4.32.6K Ratings

🗓️ 23 August 2024

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Summary

Pope Francis was hailed as a reformist when he became Pope in 2013. He vowed to get a handle on the scandals plaguing the Catholic Church, including how the Vatican managed its money. In 2015, he appointed the Vatican's first ever auditor, former Deloitte CEO and chairman Libero Milone. Along with his business partner, they went through the various Vatican departments checking the books, but came up against resistance from the 'old guard'. In one Vatican office in particular, Milone claims he met strong opposition when trying to audit their accounts. Eventually he claims being forced to resign because he was starting to uncover major financial irregularities. A few years after he was forced out, a high ranking Cardinal, Angelo Becciu, was found guilty in a Vatican court of embezzlement and fraud, for losing the Vatican over €100 million in a London property investment. Now Milone is taking a €9.3m lawsuit against the Vatican for unfair dismissal, loss of income, and emotional distress. Colm Flynn went to meet Libero Milone in Rome. LIbero says he took on the job as a way of giving back to his Church, and, driven by his faith.

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0:00.0

Well, it affected me certainly I had always believed that, you know, in the presence of priests

0:08.0

everything would be transparent and truthful, and I discovered that this wasn't the case.

0:14.0

And I had great difficulty in believing the things that I was being told.

0:21.0

Some kept on telling me that I was asking the wrong questions, you know, and I once said to one Cardinal,

0:28.0

if you ask me tomorrow morning to say Mass, you know what, I't know where to start. I can attend Mass. I can

0:36.3

follow Mass. But if I had to organize a Mass, I wouldn't know where to start. Now you've

0:42.1

not been trained to be an auditor. How can you tell me how to do my work?

0:48.0

You said that to the Cardinal? Oh yes. How did he react?

0:52.0

I said you don't understand. I say I do understand.

0:55.0

A new scandal rocking the Vatican. A senior cleric has been arrested by Italian police

1:02.0

investigating allegations of money laundering.

1:04.3

A senior banking official in the Catholic hierarchy has been placed under investigation of the

1:09.6

Vatican Bank.

1:10.6

She said, quote, this is a true battle between good and evil.

1:15.8

In addition, the Pope will name an auditor general which will have access to all institutions

1:20.6

of the Holy See and the Vatican City State.

1:25.0

Hello, I'm Colin.

1:30.0

Hello, I'm Colinum Flynn, and I'm standing in the middle of St Peter's Square here at the Vatican in Rome.

1:39.0

You can hear the bells of St Peter's Basilica behind me.

1:42.8

And in this episode of Heart and Soul from the documentary on the BBC World Service,

1:48.0

I'm going to be talking to a man who once worked here at the Vatican

1:52.0

at the heart of the Catholic Church with a mammoth task.

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