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Hear Me Out: The Oppressed Still Have Moral Duties

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Society & Culture, News

4.63K Ratings

🗓️ 5 December 2023

⏱️ 30 minutes

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Summary

On today’s episode of Hear Me Out… atrocities beget atrocities. The war in Gaza is ongoing, and brutal – and on this show we’ve discussed whether you, as an observer, have a responsibility to speak out about it… or to even choose a side between Israelis and Palestinians. This week, we take a different angle: who has a responsibility, in war, to do what? And not do what? And to whom? Michael Walzer, author and professor emeritus at the Institute for Advanced Study, joins us to argue that even the oppressed have obligations. If you have thoughts you want to share, or an idea for a topic we should tackle, you can email the show: [email protected] Podcast production by Maura Currie. You can skip all the ads in Hear Me Out by joining Slate Plus. Sign up now at slate.com/hearmeoutplus for just $15 a month for your first three months. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

This is Hear Me Out. I'm Celeste Hedley. The conversation about the conflict between Israel and Hamas remains heated, even as that situation changes by the day, sometimes by the hour. The moral contours of war are always complicated no matter what war you choose to focus on.

0:18.0

Who has an obligation to do what and not do what and to whom.

0:23.0

These are the questions international law has tried to answer of course and yet

0:27.0

they continue to be posed.

0:30.0

The vast majority of Americans are worried for the safety of the Israeli people,

0:34.0

and only a slightly smaller number are worried for Palestinians, but with such a clear imbalance of power

0:39.6

between the two players, is it controversial to suggest that they oppressed also have

0:45.1

ethical obligations even as they resist? We all have obligations not to kill,

0:51.2

torture, murder, lie, and those obligations don't cease when people are

0:56.7

oppressed.

0:58.4

Michael Walser, writer and Professor Emeritus at the Institute for Advanced Study joins us to debate who's a moral actor.

1:06.5

That's in just a moment.

1:07.4

Stay with us.

1:08.4

Welcome back to Hear Me Out. I'm Celeste Hedley. At the time we recorded this

1:16.3

episode Israel and Hamas were engaged in a days-long ceasefire and hostage

1:20.7

exchange. That ceasefire has since expired and firing has begun once again, although there were reports indicating the firing never

1:29.2

completely ceased from the start.

1:31.8

It has been a brutally violent conflict since it began with a

1:35.6

horrific terrorist attack carried out by Hamas in early October. A few weeks

1:40.6

ago we talked on the show about whether those who are not directly involved in this conflict

1:45.4

are morally obligated to pick aside and then post their views publicly.

1:50.3

Today we'll talk about the war again and once more think about the moral questions posed by the conflict.

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