This is Here Me Out. I'm Celeste Hedley. The fourth state is under attack in this country in more ways than one.

The obvious and loudest attack comes from the leading Republican candidate for president who's called for

journalists to be literally killed and his base has been pretty receptive to it.

There's also the constant problem of paying for good journalism when ads, sponsored content,

subscriptions, paywalls, and pledge drives are all pretty unpopular with the

public. But there's something else going on here. Big newsrooms are being scooped up and led by people

and companies who don't know anything about journalism. Take the Washington Post, which is now

owned by Jeff Bezos and led by a Brit with ties to Rupert Murdoch.

News and especially local news is a key part of a thriving democracy.

So if you have to choose between a soon to be trillionaire businessmen and a foreign

editor who's trying to smother stories about himself does anybody really win?

People really rave about Bezos as a as a leader at Amasad.

His allies to this day will point to his leadership skills to say,

you know, this is what puts him in a league of his own.

I just don't think he applied those lessons to the post the way that he showed that.

Journalist Brian Stelter joins Hear Me Out in just a moment.

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