Welcome to Hear Me Out. I'm your host Celeste Headley.

Independence Day is a massive cause for celebration in this country and we celebrate

revolutions in hindsight. But in practice, when you're living through a revolution, I think,

never having lived through one, I imagine that revolution is a lot messier than it appears

during our picnics and barbecues and fireworks. Revolutions are very often deadly. They're

violent and the upheaval is often unpopular, both among those in power and those who benefit

from the status quo. In past years, we've seen so-called insurrectionists in Vogue 1776 and

leftists declare urban neighborhoods autonomous zones. And across those political lines, those

acts have been quashed often aggressively. So how should we think about uprisers and

revolutionaries? We all know that insurrections can be good. We all know that insurrection

ists have historically gone deeper reflecting the most oppressed and the most excluded.

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Welcome back to Hear Me Out. I'm Celeste Headley. We have a complicated relationship with

revolution in this country. We are, of course, celebrating the 4th of July this week and the

American Revolution was, of course, a bloody one. And much of the country celebrates it anyway,

with red, white, and blue abandoned. But this country has also instigated revolutions in other

parts of the world and attempted to stop ones that did not align with our goals. And let's not

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