A word of caution, this episode will contain frank discussions of sexual assault and rape.

Listener discretion is advised.

The National Sexual Assault Hotline has help and resources if you need them.

That's reachable 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Call 1-800 656 4-673 or go to Rain, R-A-I-N-D-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-D-O-G, the National Mental Health Crisis Line is 988.

This is Hear Me Out. I'm Celeste Hedley. Sexual assault is devastatingly common on college campuses. By some

estimates, 13% of all college students male and female, undergraduate and graduate students, will experience rape or assault

during the course of their college education. That is a staggering

percentage. The way we handle campus sexual assault in this country is very

piecemeal.

Everyone does it differently and government guidelines have changed a lot

over the past 13 years.

So what is the solution here if there is one?

Our guest argues it's time to burn all of the current

systems down and start from scratch. I don't think expelling 19 and 20 year old

kids. Having gone through that process is really accomplishing anything except taking these very complex and fraught situations and making them binary when they're not.

Laura Bazalon of the University of San Francisco joins us in just a moment. Stay with us.

Welcome back to Hear Me Out. I'm Celeste Hedley. In 2011, the Obama administration issued the

Dear Colleague letter. It looked like a letter, but it was actually a policy paper.

It set some ground rules for how universities should interpret Title IX, specifically in regard to sexual assault cases.

In response, many universities implemented a single investigator model for dealing with assault allegations.

A school administrator would talk to the accuser and the accused, and determine whether it was quote more likely than not unquote that the

assault occurred. Now in 2020 the Trump administration replaced the Obama

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