Health Warning: The Human Cost of Climate Inaction with Julia Gillard
Outrage + Optimism: The Climate Podcast
Persephonica
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🗓️ 26 June 2025
⏱️ 39 minutes
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Summary
Scientists warn that the world could breach its 1.5°C emissions limit within just 2-3 years. It’s a scary thought, but across the globe, many are grappling with an even more immediate and visceral reality: the climate crisis is already a health crisis.
From deadly heatwaves to worsening air pollution and climate-related trauma, the health impacts of climate change are escalating. In this episode, Christiana Figueres and Paul Dickinson explore how growing awareness of these challenges is beginning to reframe the conversation, and ask whether this could be the narrative that finally drives faster, more inclusive climate action.
Christiana is joined by former Australian Prime Minister and Chair of the Wellcome Trust, Julia Gillard, who makes the case for why health must become central to climate communication - and why we should be talking about “lives lost”, rather than simply degrees gained.
Meanwhile, Tom Rivett-Carnac drops in from the launch of London Climate Action Week 2025, where health is rapidly emerging as a defining lens.
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🩺 Read all about the speakers and events at the Conduit’s Climate and The Future of Health, supported by the Wellcome Trust and held on the first day of LCAW
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| 0:00.0 | Hi friends, I'm so sorry I'm not with you this week. |
| 0:03.0 | I'm here at London Climate Action Week. |
| 0:04.0 | I'm at the opening event and I have to say, coming here, I did wonder what the mood was going to be. |
| 0:10.0 | I'm sure my friends Paul and Christiana talked about this 1.5 report that came out recently saying, |
| 0:15.0 | we're going to blow through the targets in just a couple of years. |
| 0:18.0 | And coming here, I thought, wow, maybe there'll be a kind of down, depressed mood about what's happening. And I've, you know, we're only a few hours in, |
| 0:24.2 | but I've been stunned to discover it is completely the opposite. Everybody is looking at solutions, |
| 0:29.1 | opportunity, momentum, the fact the costs are coming down and the breakthroughs that now feel |
| 0:33.9 | closer than they ever have before. And right at the heart of that is the narrative around health. |
| 0:38.2 | That really seems to be landing here in London. |
| 0:40.6 | So many people I've spoken to have said they've started talking about health |
| 0:43.8 | and that has changed the nature of the conversation and opened up the possibility |
| 0:47.8 | to talk more about solutions, yes, because of the economics, yes, because of climate change, |
| 0:52.3 | but also because it impacts human health right now. |
| 0:55.7 | So it's only the first day, but it's been really interesting and encouraging and optimistic already. |
| 1:02.9 | Hello and welcome to outrage and optimism. I'm Paul Dickinson. I'm Christiana Fijeres and |
| 1:08.0 | where in the world is Tom? He's gone missing in London Climate Action Week. |
| 1:13.0 | As I understand it, there are like tens of thousands of people running around London |
| 1:16.1 | doing climate change-related things. |
| 1:18.2 | And I think he's just got sort of lost in the crowd, as far as I can cover. |
| 1:22.0 | But let's get on to the episode. |
| 1:23.4 | This week, as scientists warn, the world is on track to breach one and a half degrees of warming within just a few years. |
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