It's sort of like what comes first, the chicken or the egg, because as we go through the process of transformation, our true identity in him becomes clearer.

But then in hearing our true identity in him gives us the trust and willingness to be vulnerable to keep going in the transformation with him.

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Okay, I'm going to give you a quote.

You tell me who said it.

No, don't do that.

Yeah, here it is.

I'm not terrible with quotes. What Jesus did for us is greater than what

happened to us. I know exactly he said that because he said it twice in the last two days and it's

in his book. That would be our friend Christopher Cook sitting right across the table. But isn't it good?

He wrote it down. I know I wrote it down because every time he says it, I'm like, I need to memorize that

because all of us need to be reminded of that great truth.

So, Chris, thanks for sharing that and putting that in your book.

I love you guys so much.

This is fun.

Thanks for having me again.

This is super fun.

Yeah, that's great.

Yeah, well, Chris has been part of our church for over a decade.

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