Healing Shame and Guilt using NARM® with Dr. Laurence Heller
Transforming Trauma
Brad Kammer
4.6 • 140 Ratings
🗓️ 13 May 2026
⏱️ 41 minutes
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Summary
Why shame isn't an emotion—but an adaptive survival process. Dr. Laurence Heller unpacks how the NeuroAffective Relational Model® (NARM®) reframes shame, identity, and developmental trauma for more effective clinical work.
How do you define shame? Would you describe shame as an unproductive emotion or self-reproach? Or, would you dive headlong into examples, chronicling instances when you felt deserving of blame? Either answer is an invitation to probe deeper, to assess how this complex adaptive strategy has limited your ability to relate to yourself, your community, and the world.
On this episode of Transforming Trauma, host Emily Ruth is honored to welcome back Dr. Laurence Heller, creator of the NeuroAffective Relational Model® (NARM®) and author of the new book Healing Shame and Guilt: The Developmental Roots of Chronic Shame and Guilt and How the NeuroAffective Relational Model (NARM) Can Help You Heal and Reconnect.
Transforming Trauma is grateful to Dr. Heller for helping us get a deeper understanding of shame and guilt as universal human experiences, the ways they harm us, and how we can heal from them.
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SPACE is an Inner Development Program of Support and Self-Discovery for Therapists on the Personal, Interpersonal, and Transpersonal Levels offered by the Complex Trauma Training Center. This experiential learning program offers an immersive group experience designed to cultivate space for self-care, community support, and deepening vitality in our professional role as therapists. Learn more about how to join.
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to the Transforming Trauma Podcast. |
| 0:05.0 | Transforming Trauma is presented by the Complex Trauma Training Center. |
| 0:09.0 | I'm your host, Emily Ruth, and I'm so glad you've joined us today. |
| 0:17.0 | For therapists committed to deeper, more effective trauma work, our spring 27 NARM Therapist |
| 0:24.4 | training is a live, online immersion designed to help you confidently treat complex trauma |
| 0:29.9 | with greater precision and impact. |
| 0:32.5 | From January through August, you'll join a passionate community of mental health professionals |
| 0:37.3 | while building |
| 0:37.8 | practical trauma-informed skills you can apply directly to your sessions. Across four modules, |
| 0:43.2 | you'll deepen your ability to work with attachment, developmental, and relational trauma |
| 0:47.6 | using a neurobiologically informed approach. If you're ready to move beyond symptom management |
| 0:52.8 | and support real lasting change in your clients, |
| 0:56.0 | the neuro-effective relational model will take your practice to the next level. |
| 1:00.1 | Enrollment is now open. |
| 1:01.8 | Visit complextrauma training center.com to learn more and secure your spot in the next online Narm |
| 1:07.0 | therapist training. |
| 1:12.0 | And now for our interview. |
| 1:15.0 | Dr. Lawrence Heller is a clinical psychologist, international teacher, and the developer |
| 1:19.7 | of the neuro-effective relational model, an approach designed to address complex and developmental |
| 1:25.0 | trauma. With over four decades of experience, his work integrates |
| 1:29.1 | Gestalt therapy, somatic experiencing, and psychodynamic psychotherapy to deepen how early trauma |
| 1:35.1 | is understood and treated. He is the co-founder of the Narm Training Institute, a senior fellow |
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