Hello and welcome to another episode of Iway with Jameela Jamel, a podcast that has no interest in you feeling shame ever again.

I hope you're well. I'm alright, I'm just a bit annoyed with how long we've been talking about Will Smith and Chris Rock now.

I forget it was a serious incident, it needed to be discussed, but spin stay six.

And there are still articles coming out about different random celebrities who aren't involved and how they feel and how it's making them feel about their own life.

Just we have to stop obsessing about this. I've never seen a celebrity incident create this much discourse for this many days.

And it's I don't know, it's not just grating on me because I want us to move on. It's grating on me because something so serious is happening.

And I feel like all of our attention has been diverted for way too long onto this random subject about these three extremely privileged people that we can't do anything about their situation.

We can do something about what's happening in Ukraine in that there are millions of people who have been displaced already and it hasn't even been going on that long.

And it is strikes me timing wise a little bit suspicious that the media who are often government collaborators are allowing and perpetuating us to keep talking about this this event at the Oscars.

So that will stop being as politically engaged as a lot of us were becoming regarding Ukraine.

What is happening with the displaced people whether or not our governments being as supportive as they can be towards those people also we were starting to hear more and more reports of how there is a discrimination towards displaced people of color.

We're seeing that there is a double standard in the way that government are talking about Ukrainian people who are displaced versus how they spoke about Muslims who are displaced.

We were also in the middle of it. We were also involved and now we're just fully out of it and not up to date on what is going on.

Obviously I'm not speaking for all of you, but I'm just saying the masses on social media. It's just it's out of this world.

So if you are someone who would like to get back to the topic at hand obviously there are wars going on all over the world, but this is a relatively new emergency and it is an emergency and through it all.

I'm unbelievably lucky to have secured an interview with someone who is doing tremendous work with displaced people including in Ukraine right now or people from Ukraine rather right now.

Her name is Zalash, Halamzi and she is one of the most exceptional and inspiring and just resilient people I have ever met or had on this podcast or the privilege of talking to she is an Afghan woman who is now living in the United Kingdom and she's a former child refugee.

She has had such an outrageous life and was so young when her and her family were displaced and all split up and she talks me through what that was like what the emotional experience that many of us thank God will never be able to even fathom she talks me through the emotional impact.

How that goes on to harm you and impact you through your life and how it can make such a difference to these people's lives in the way that they are received by other people by other countries the opportunities that they are given because all of their opportunities have been stripped from them their houses have been stripped from them their friendships their lives their realities their country their culture everything gone.

And they're forced into being in a new place where they don't speak the language she talks me through that whole journey in such a clear and frank and visceral way that I think is really important right now because empathy is all we've got that is the only way that we are going to charge ourselves up for the huge task of getting our governments to stop going around and fucking around in other countries.

And then leaving those countries completely in tatters and then turning their backs on the people who are trying to flee a mess and our countries have been significantly complicit in.

And so we also talk a lot about that and we talk about the hopeful ways in which we could restore the dignities of displaced people and ways in which we can support them other than just with the important things like supplies and donations.

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