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Rule Breaker Investing

Healing Leaders: An Inside-Out Path to Better Decisions

Rule Breaker Investing

The Motley Fool

Business, Investing

4.4 • 959 Ratings

🗓️ 14 January 2026

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Summary

This week on Rule Breaker Investing, David is joined by Raj Sisodia and Nilima Bhat, co-authors of Healing Leaders, for a conversation about leadership burnout, meaning, and why wholeness may be a strategic advantage. Rather than treating healing as a “soft” idea, Raj and Nilima walk through the book’s seven steps and explore how inner state shapes judgment, patience, courage, and long-term thinking—in business, investing, and life. Along the way, they connect the “Wise Fool” archetype and the idea of Shakti to conscious capitalism, rule-breaking optimism, and the kind of leadership that compounds over time. Host: David GardnerGuests: Nilima Bhat, Raj SisodiaProducer: Bart Shannon Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Leadership is having a moment, and not always a great one.

0:04.5

We see it in business, we see it in markets, we see it in headlines, people in positions

0:09.2

of responsibility making fast decisions, loud decisions, sometimes successful, often costly,

0:16.9

not always from a centered place, which raises an interesting question for investors,

0:22.4

entrepreneurs, and humans alike.

0:25.4

What if the biggest leadership risk today isn't a lack of intelligence or ambition, but a lack

0:32.3

of wholeness?

0:34.5

Today's conversation is about healing leaders, not as a soft idea, but as a serious

0:40.2

one, about how interstate shapes judgment, about why long-term optimism, courage against the

0:46.7

crowd, and sustainable compounding financial and otherwise may depend more on who we are than what we know.

0:55.7

I'm joined by Raj Sassodia and Nilema Bhat, co-authors of Healing Leaders,

1:01.1

a book that's just coming out this month.

1:03.6

We're going to talk about burnout and meaning,

1:06.4

the wise fool archetype,

1:08.3

and how healing can show up as better decisions in business, in investing,

1:14.0

and in life. Only on this week's Rule Breaker Investing. It's the Rule Breaker Investing podcast with

1:22.9

Motley Full co-founder David Gardner.

1:34.1

Raj Sosthodia is a long-time friend and a globally recognized thinker on leadership and business purpose. He's the co-founder of the conscious capitalism movement, a professor,

1:39.3

researcher, and author whose work has shaped how many of us think about values-driven companies,

1:45.9

long-term thinking, and leadership that actually endures.

1:50.5

Nile Mabat is the founder and director of Shakti leadership and the Shakti Mission,

1:55.8

a global goodwill ambassador with the World Union and a professor of conscious leadership

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