Hi there, welcome to the Mathias J. Barker podcast.

This is a podcast about mental health and moving towards what's meaningful, even despite

hardship.

Today I got to talk to Dr. Hilary McBride, which has been kind of a dream of mine for a

long time.

She's someone that was especially formative for me, really like leading into the decision

to get my masters in counseling and her work, maybe I discovered, firstly through something

called the liturgist podcast, which was a podcast kind of about what we talk a lot about

that, what it was about.

It's been about a lot of different things, but maybe the intersection of faith and art

and psychology and kind of conversation specifically around deconstruction of Christian

faith and maybe the ways that Christian faith has been destructive and trying to reconstruct

something more helpful.

So that's all kind of in the water with the liturgist podcast.

Dr. Hilary McBride is a psychologist who contributed to that and she has a really just incredible

body of work outside of just like conversations on faith though.

In Christianity, she talks a lot about eating disorders and embodiments and she's doing

a lot of really compelling, interesting research right now.

And so we had a really, I think, it was like, how do I describe it?

I think for a long time, Hilary was seeing kind of as this, this sage on top of the mountain,

this teacher that if I can only be more like her, then that means I would be a good therapist

if I could just embody and practice saying things the way that she says them and there

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