Hello, hello, I'm Hugo Rifkin and now we're going to be unpacking the politics of the day,

from resignations at the BBC to Kier Starmer's Globetrotting to Rachel Reeves' tax rises.

And here to help, and I'm expecting them to face calls to resign with the next half hour or so.

It is columnist Seb Payne. Hello, Seb. Hello, Hugo.

Good to have you. And Sarah Dytum. Hello, Seb. Hello, Sepp. Hello, Hugo. Good to have

you. And Sarah Daitam. Hello, Sarah. Thank you for being here. Let us begin by talking about the BBC. Of course. Heads have rolled at Broadcasting House in a row of a bias at the BBC. It all stems from a leaked internal report, which raised questions over its coverage of the Middle East, gender, and of course the editing of a clip of Donald Trump, the director General Tim Davy, has gone.

So is the head of news, of Donald Trump. The director General Tim Davy has gone.

So is the head of news, Deborah Turner.

She spoke to reporters from the BBC as she arrived at the BBC.

I stepped down over the weekend because the buck stops with me.

But I'd like to make one thing very clear.

BBC News is not institutionally biased. I should say it's not just us covering this. The main story on the BBC is the BBC institutionally biased.

I should say it's not just us covering this.

The main story on the BBC is the BBC covering the BBC, talking about the BBC,

about what's going on in the BBC.

But we do need to talk about it because it is the big news.

Before we do, though, I want to talk about this clip itself.

I guess I'm slightly struggling a little bit here.

I understand completely the sin that was committed here, which was the editing of a clip to make it look like at that precise moment Donald Trump had said something he didn't say. Nonetheless, the man was impeached over exactly this allegation that he incited unrest at the Capitol. He was literally impeached over this, and he was acquitted, but a majority did vote in favour, including Republicans such as Mitt Romney. This isn't something that panorama just made up. And yet the clip itself is indefensible. How are you balancing that set? I mean, you're completely right, Hugo, that if you just listen to what he said, I mean, I've capital that was kind of incitement to get people wound up at the very

least. The things he actually said. The things he actually, as opposed to the way the clip was spliced. And what I don't understand, which no one had been to explain is why they felt the need to splice the clip because... Well, that's such a good point. And it's just like, if you look at what he actually said.

Just use that.

Just use that.

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