So can I just go back a little I think it's important that you start wherever you want to start.

Back a little ways from there but that's fine.

So let's just have it as a given that this was really really hard.

Okay starting with voting to I'm certified the election in November of 2020.

Back in February reporter Yvonne Winsjet Sanchez met up with Bill Gates.

Gates is a member of the board of supervisors in Arizona's Maricopa County.

I mean you're you're starting to deal with I'm starting to deal with the you know anger betrayal.

The trail is a big word right.

This is the whole thing it's like.

Yvonne covers democracy issues for the post.

That means things related to voting and election integrity and Gates is involved with

administering and certifying elections in the county.

Yvonne wanted to talk about something Gates had told her months earlier about the personal effects of the 2020 election.

So I learned that he was in therapy last summer.

We happened to be meeting about something else and he was late and he slid into the booth and he said I'm sorry him laid I had therapy.

And I looked over at him and I was shocked.

As a member of the board of supervisors Gates was in charge of overseeing the 2020 election and ultimately certifying Joe Biden's win in Maricopa County.

And that's when the attacks escalated.

Then President Trump and his supporters mounted a pressure campaign against officials like Gates in some cases even threatening violence.

All leading up to January 6.

I couldn't believe that this was happening in America.

And that's when my friend I was talking to on the phone.

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