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What Next | Daily News and Analysis

He Saw the Storm Coming

What Next | Daily News and Analysis

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Daily News, News, News Commentary

4.32.4K Ratings

🗓️ 11 January 2021

⏱️ 24 minutes

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Summary

In 2009, Department of Homeland Security official, Daryl Johnson, warned the government that right-wing extremists were building power. After his report leaked to conservative media outlets, the agency sidelined Johnson and his investigations. In the meantime, right-wing extremists have only grown their ranks.

Guest: Daryl Johnson, former senior analyst for domestic terrorism at the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. 

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0:00.0

Over the last few days, I've been watching the images of the insurrection at the Capitol

0:08.3

change. They were always shocking, but as more videos trickled out and more internet detectives

0:15.4

have started identifying perpetrators, the story of what exactly took place has just gotten darker. Last Wednesday,

0:24.4

some of the people who broke into Congress looked like gleeful internet trolls brought to life.

0:30.3

But by Sunday, there was video of one of these men beating a police officer with an American flag.

0:41.1

Daryl Johnson, who used to work at the Department of Homeland Security,

0:45.1

keeps thinking about this other video of a lone black capital police officer,

0:50.6

luring a crowd led by a guy in a Q-Anon t-shirt away from the Senate floor.

1:00.7

Yeah, it's very scary.

1:02.9

And the fact that this officer kept turning around and looking at this crowd and they kept

1:08.4

follow them, particularly the leader of the group there,

1:11.8

kind of reminded me of almost like a rabid animal

1:14.1

that was approaching a person and not acting naturally.

1:20.8

Over the weekend, I've seen more and more pictures of rioters in tactical gear,

1:26.5

bulletproof vests, reinforced gloves, guns, and open holsters.

1:32.1

One of them earned this nickname, Ziptie Guy, on Twitter.

1:37.0

There was a picture of one of the insurrectionists that was wearing some sort of tactical type clothing that held in his hand these flex cuffs.

1:50.0

And that really hit me because it showed that some people came prepared to potentially take hostages and that this was going to be a standoff type situation.

2:04.6

If that was proven true, the intent of that person was to bring these flex cuss to kidnap and hold hostage or legislature, that is very concerning and just kind of shows the dangerous intent of

2:22.7

these groups.

2:29.7

I wanted to talk to Daryl about what took place, because in some ways, he predicted this,

2:36.8

not the details, but the coming wave of anti-government sentiment and where it could lead.

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