He said, Xi said – What the Trump-China summit really means
The Bunker – News without the nonsense
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🗓️ 20 May 2026
⏱️ 31 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | More than half a century ago in February 1972, the ardent anti-communist American president, Richard Nixon, went to communist China and what seemed one of the most extraordinary diplomatic gambols of the time. |
| 0:21.4 | Nixon said with some justification that it was the week that changed the world. |
| 0:26.5 | Fast forward to now and another perhaps unlikely gathering took place in Beijing when Donald |
| 0:31.0 | Trump went to China to talk about trade, tariffs and Taiwan with President Xi Jinping. |
| 0:36.8 | But what, if anything, did the American president |
| 0:38.7 | achieve? Mr. Trump said they settled a lot of different problems. Xi spoke of constructive |
| 0:45.6 | strategic stability. Beyond these vague pleasantries, are we witnessing a bit of mood music |
| 0:51.7 | covering up the biggest strategic rivalry of the next half-century? |
| 0:55.2 | And what of other meetings? What of Xi with Vladimir Putin? Well, to make sense of all this, |
| 1:01.5 | I'm joined by Bill Hurst, Chonghua Professor of Chinese Development at the University of Cambridge. |
| 1:06.5 | Welcome to the bunker, Bill. Thank you very much. It's great to be here. |
| 1:10.0 | What interesting times we live in. Do we have any real clues? |
| 1:13.6 | I mean, beyond the kind of vagueness that I mentioned, of what on earth they actually talked about, Trump and G? |
| 1:19.7 | Well, if that week in February, 1972, was the week that changed the world, |
| 1:25.6 | this was an example of the world that changed a week, |
| 1:29.1 | in that we're living in a very different reality today from what I think had been the |
| 1:34.5 | cognitive template for a series of American administrations at least, and probably also on the |
| 1:39.7 | Chinese side. And by that, I mean that at least since the 1980s, not as much than the 70s, but since |
| 1:46.1 | the 80s, the United States fell into a pattern that I would describe as the fallacy of engagement. |
| 1:53.1 | An assumption was at the ready always that by increasing trade and other links with China, |
| 1:59.8 | somehow the United States would induce China to become |
| 2:03.4 | more like what the United States hoped or aspired that it might be. And that's obviously not the case. |
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