He Paid Off His Rentals... And Now He Regrets It With Dave Jacobs (Ep 572)
Rental Income Podcast With Dan Lane
Rental Income Podcast
4.8 • 836 Ratings
🗓️ 5 May 2026
⏱️ 25 minutes
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Summary
Today, Dave believes he would have been better off keeping the debt and using that money to buy more properties. He shares why he thinks a larger portfolio with leverage could have outperformed a smaller, paid-off portfolio over the long run, and how losing the mortgage interest deduction changed the numbers.
On this episode, we break down how Dave paid off his rentals, when the regret set in, and why he’s hesitant to do a cash-out refinance to pull that equity back out. We also talk about the benefits of owning properties free and clear, so you can hear both sides of the argument.
We dig into Dave’s portfolio, including his strategy of owning properties in the same neighborhood and how self-managing helps him keep expenses low. He shares his actual numbers, including total rent, expenses, and net income, along with some of the toughest situations he’s faced as a landlord.
We also get into whether Dave thinks investors are better off using LLCs, and how he approaches structuring his business.
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| 0:00.0 | Inspiring interviews with today's top landlords. |
| 0:04.7 | This is the Rental Income podcast. |
| 0:07.6 | And now, Dan Lane. |
| 0:09.9 | Dave, you have paid off half of your rental properties, but you don't think that was a good move. |
| 0:16.2 | And you tell other investors not to pay off their rental properties. Why is that? |
| 0:23.2 | Yeah, I don't, Dan, generally speaking, because I think, especially for a newer property investor, |
| 0:29.0 | it's better to take any funds that they have available to purchase additional properties. |
| 0:35.1 | And specifically, if you have, say, a lower interest rate, |
| 0:38.3 | I would say five, five and a half percent or lower, |
| 0:40.3 | I think it's probably a much better use of your funds |
| 0:44.3 | to either invest it for a higher rate than your current mortgage, |
| 0:48.3 | or, again, if you can put that additional money |
| 0:51.3 | into additional properties, I think you're going to be better off long |
| 0:54.3 | term. And also as you do your taxes, you're not going to have that interest expense to deduct |
| 1:00.8 | against your rental property income. So in my opinion, those are pretty compelling reasons |
| 1:05.4 | to not pay off your properties. But I think what's interesting is that you have paid off half your |
| 1:12.1 | property. So do you kind of regret it? Yeah, I do. In one particular case, I had a property that was |
| 1:21.0 | on a seven or I think it was a five or seven year arm. And so the increase in interest I felt |
| 1:27.4 | in that particular situation, it was better for me |
| 1:31.8 | to pay off that property at the five or seven year point. I don't recall exactly what the |
| 1:35.7 | time frame was. But other properties that I paid off in retrospect, I think that would have been |
| 1:40.8 | better off just keeping the loan and redeploying those funds elsewhere. |
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