He infiltrated America’s militias — and then spilled their secrets
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🗓️ 23 January 2025
⏱️ 25 minutes
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Summary
The militia movement in America has a long, embattled history — and President Trump ushered in a new chapter with his sweeping grant of clemency to the more than 1,500 people charged for their involvement in the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol. ProPublica reporter Joshua Kaplan sat down with Apple News In Conversation host Shumita Basu to talk about the message these pardons send and the insights of a unique source who secretly infiltrated and climbed the ranks of militia groups in America.
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| 0:00.0 | This is In Conversation from Apple News. |
| 0:06.4 | I'm Shemita Vasu. |
| 0:08.0 | Today, how Trump's January 6th pardons signal a new era for militias. |
| 0:12.6 | One of Donald Trump's first acts as president was something he's long promised, a sweeping |
| 0:27.3 | grant of clemency to the more than 1,500 people charged in connection with the January 6th attack |
| 0:33.1 | on the Capitol. |
| 0:34.3 | So this is January 6th. |
| 0:36.8 | These are the hostages. Appro, approximately 1,500 for a pardon. |
| 0:42.6 | Yes. |
| 0:43.2 | Full pardon. |
| 0:44.4 | The families and supporters of the rioters were overjoyed on Monday night when Trump signed |
| 0:49.3 | the order, and hundreds of people who had been convicted were released from prison. |
| 0:53.3 | We the people are victorious today, and we were able to say together, justice for all J6. |
| 0:59.7 | Welcome home heroes. Welcome home. Let's go. |
| 1:04.0 | I want to say only one word tonight. |
| 1:08.1 | Freedom! |
| 1:17.6 | Among the people who've been freed are Enrique Tario, the former leader of the Proud Boys, who'd been given the longest sentence of anyone involved in the attack, 22 years. |
| 1:21.6 | And Stuart Rhodes, the head of the Oathkeepers, who had been sentenced to 18 years. |
| 1:26.6 | Both were found guilty of mobilizing |
| 1:28.7 | their militia groups to try to overthrow the government. And now that they're out, they're calling |
| 1:33.2 | for prosecutions for the people who put them behind bars. This moment is more than just a rewriting |
| 1:39.9 | of history of what happened on January 6th. it could have huge implications for America's militia |
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