as agonizing as the last several days have been for me here in Minneapolis,

I'm actually coming away, guardedly optimistic about how this will end.

On this week's more to the story, a conversation with evangelical minister Rob Schenck.

He spoke to us from Minneapolis, where he joined clergy from across the country to protest

immigration raids in that city. Shank talks about the fatal shootings of protesters and how

he's trying to undo his own legacy as a former leader of the Christian

nationalist movement. Stay with us.

This is more to the story. I'm Al Letson. Over the weekend, a federal immigration agent killed

another U.S. citizen. 37-year-old ICU nurse Alex Preti was shot after being held down by

multiple federal agents. The Trump administration alleged that Predtie threatened agents with a gun,

but videos show Preddy, who was carrying a licensed handgun, was only holding his phone in his hand when he

was tackled and killed. Following Prattie's death, thousands of protesters once again flooded

the streets of Minneapolis. One of them was Rob Schenck. You might remember Rob,

he was the very first guest I interviewed for what eventually became this podcast, more to the story.

Rob was once one of America's most influential evangelical leaders. He routinely lobbied

legislators to adopt a Christian conservative agenda and work to persuade Supreme Court

justices to rule in favor of the religious right. But Rob began doubting the movement and his own

role in it, especially once Donald Trump came to power. Since then, he's made a moral and political

180 and is now working to undo his decades of activism that he's made a moral and political 180 and is now working to undo his decades of activism that he believes helped lead to this moment.

Rob, it is really good to see you. Thanks so much for coming on to the show again.

Likewise, Al, after nearly a week in this Minneapolis

cauldron, I can't think of anyone more soothing

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