It's hard to deny that the lobby goes to enormous lengths to skew American foreign policy

in a pro-Israel way.

This includes people like Alan Dershowitz work overtime to suppress any discourse that's

critical of Israel, critical of the U.S.-Israeli relationship, we're critical of the lobby.

I'm about to speak to Alan Dershowis. Do you have any message for him?

He'll know exactly what to say. I am not a lobbyist for Israel. I'm not a member of the

Mossad. I am an American, a loyal American. You're very aware there have been these ongoing rumors about Epstein.

Having an exchange with somebody who I knew and somebody who was pro-Israel doesn't prove either

that I did anything wrong or that he had a connection with the Mossite.

Almost 20 years ago, John Meersheimer published a paper and led up a book called The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy.

It's not considered to be a seminal text on the outsized impact of lobbyists and think tanks who skew US foreign policy in Israel's national interest and not their own.

Professor Meersheimer and his co-author were unusually the two unassuming academics

hit with a barrage of negative media stories and accusations of anti-Semitism. Leaked emails

now show that one of the people colluding over these talking points to discredit John Meersheimer

was, along with his lawyer, Alan Dershowitz, none other than Jeffrey Epstein. The question, of course,

is why? Well, for his side of the story and what he believes Epstein's motives were, his renowned international relations

scholar, Professor John Mierchum, Professor Mierschuk, welcome back to Unsenzo.

Glad to be here, as always, Pierce. I'm going to get to what I was just referring to in that intro in a few moments.

But first of all, just a couple of things I wanted to discuss with you.

First of all, this almost unprecedented request by Prime Minister Netanyahu

to his own president, Isaac Herzog, for a full pardon involving these bribery and fraud charges

that have been brought against him for which he's been standing trial, albeit with multiple pauses

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