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This is the Politics and More podcast. I'm David Remnick.

I've been following the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians for many years, and I've spent time there as a reporter, trying to understand what the conflict has done to the people

who live with it every single day.

I have not seen a depiction of the situation as complex and as deep as the 10-part series called Our Boys.

A co-production of HBO in the Israeli studio Keshet, Our Boys, tells a horrible true story.

In 2014, a Palestinian teenager named Muhammad Abu Qadere was kidnapped, burned, and brutally murdered. His body was left in the Jerusalem forest. The crime was an act of reprisal. Israeli

extremists were retaliating for the murder of three Israeli boys by a Hamas-linked group

just weeks earlier.

Our Boys thoroughly examines just about all of the forces that led to the death of Muhammad Abu Hedere.

It's not for the faint of heart. It just isn't.

But if you want to understand the currents of extremism and violence,

I really do recommend our boys to you highly.

Two of the creators of the show are Haggai Levi and Tofik Abu Wel.

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