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With the best comedy, it comes from a sense of moral clarity to some extent.

And the best satire is a form of moral outrage, you know, sublimated into the shape of comedy.

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So I just had the strangest conversation.

I've wanted to have Dave Egger's on the show forever. Like forever, like for years.

I've been fascinated by him for years. I've read the harping work of staggering genius when it came out.

I read a bunch of other novels, but like watching him over time, he created like the 826 series of pirate tutoring centers and McSweeney's and the believer.

Then he began writing these books like what is the what where he was doing this reportage in very earnestly tongue-a-story of other people's lives.

And the range of things he's done over time, the circle.

I'm just so fascinated by people who are able to stay creatively that alive and to start things that remain creatively that distinct.

So I want to talk to him for years. And he's just bringing out a new book, a satire of Donald Trump called the Captain of the Glory.

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