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The Patrick Madrid Show

Have You Tried the Napkin Trick? (Special Podcast Highlight)

The Patrick Madrid Show

Relevant Radio

Religion & Spirituality, Christianity

4.8590 Ratings

🗓️ 14 November 2023

⏱️ 9 minutes

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Summary

Patrick takes us back to that fateful evening in the early 1990s and recounts the frustrating conversation that ensued. Unable to make any headway, Patrick cleverly used a simple napkin with six words to make an impactful point about interpretation. Tune in as Patrick explains the significance of those six words and how it led to a surprising turn of events for one of the Calvinist ex-Catholics involved. 

Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome back. Here's the number to call. If you want to get on the air with a comment or question, maybe you have a need of a second opinion or whatever.

0:10.9

888-914-9-49. Call that number. We'll get you on the air. 888-914-9-149. Let's go to Anaheim and talk to the caller formerly known as Prince, and still

0:23.1

known as Prince. Good morning, Prince. Hi. When you talk to our Protestant brothers, you always

0:28.2

mention the praise. I never said you stole money. I tried to understand it, but I cannot get it.

0:33.6

Oh, you want me to go through that for you? Yes, please.

0:37.9

Okay.

0:38.5

So here's the backstory print.

0:40.7

So I was working at Catholic Answers at this time, and it would have been early 1990s,

0:47.9

so probably 92 somewhere in there.

0:51.4

And I was speaking at a parish in North County, and there were two

0:56.6

Calvinist Protestants who were there, two guys. And when my talk was over, it might have been during

1:03.3

the Q&A period, as I recall, and one of them came to the microphone in front of the whole group

1:07.7

and said, everything you've been saying here tonight is untrue and

1:13.1

unbiblical. And I, you know, I realize I can't challenge you to a debate right now because the event

1:18.9

is almost over. But would you be willing to sit down with my friend and me and we can explain to you

1:25.0

why what you said is untrue or unbiblical? And I said, hot diggedy, yeah, let's do it. So I called my wife and I said, honey, I'll be home a little later than expected because of these guys who want to sit around and talk. And she said, yeah, that's fine. So we went to a Denny's and we're sitting in the booth. They were on one side and I was on the other.

2:19.3

They had their Bibles open in front of them. I had my Bible open in front of me. And they said, well, you know, typical Catholic, you're teaching things about, in this case, I was talking about Mary and you're teaching things that are unbiblical. And I said, oh, like what, for example. And they said, well, you know, I don't remember exactly. It's probably like, well, you believe that Mary didn't have any other children after Jesus. So I said, oh, yeah, let's talk about that. So I opened my Bible and I started quoting passages to them, and they quickly shifted from your teaching things that are not in the Bible. And because I was quoting from the Bible, they then switched to, well, you're misinterpreting that. And I said, no, I'm not.

2:26.6

And they said, yes, you are. I said, no, I'm not. They said, you're taking that out of context.

2:31.2

I said, no, I'm not. You are. And they said, no, we're not. You are. And I said, no, I'm not. You are. And they said, no, we're not. You are.

2:36.1

And I said, no, I'm not. You are. It was just ridiculous. But what they wanted and expected me as a

2:43.1

Catholic to do is to just sort of backpedal and accept their erroneous premise that I was taking

2:49.8

these passages out of context. I just simply didn't accept their premiseroneous premise that I was taking these passages out of context,

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