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I'm John Seifer, and I'm Jerry O'Shea.

We have over 60 years of experience as clandestine officers in the CIA, serving in high-risk

areas all around the world.

And part of our job was creating

conspiracies to deceive our adversaries. Now, we're going to use that experience to investigate

the conspiracy theories everyone's talking about, as well as some you may not have heard. Could they be true,

or are we being manipulated? I'll find out now on Mission Implausible.

We now return with part two of our conversation with Michael Weiss. Michael's an investigative journalist, author, and an editor of The Insider. His recent reporting focuses on Russian

intelligence, the Kremlin's war against Ukraine in the West, and Havana syndrome.

So I agree. I am more skeptical of attacks on U.S. soil than I am where it's more permissive

environment for the Russians operate. I mean, Vienna, Austria, give me a fucking break. I mean,

that's a playground for Russian spies, you know. For all spies,

frankly. Yeah. And also another kind of key theme here, and it was in the first investigation,

was when we started looking at the subset that I just mentioned, very narrow, we found that a lot of

these guys and women either served in Kiev Station after 2014, so after the Euromedan revolution,

when CIA, as we know through great reporting by Adam Entus in the New York Times, quote,

put in the plumbing with Gour, Ukraine military intelligence, built paramilitary organizations,

including the one that graduated Kareel Bledanov, who's now chief of staff to Zelensky,

and before that director of Gour, basically CIA helped Ukraine learn how to do what they do best,

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