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Better Offline

Hater Season: Victoria Song & Alex Cranz

Better Offline

Cool Zone Media and iHeartPodcasts

Technology

4.6688 Ratings

🗓️ 25 February 2026

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

Better Offline’s “Hater Season” - an ongoing roundtable with tech’s greatest haters - continues as Ed talks with Victoria Song of The Verge about “wellness products,” bullshit workout metrics and black market peptides.

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Alex Cranz:
https://bsky.app/profile/cranz.bsky.social

Victoria Song:
https://bsky.app/profile/vicmsong.bsky.social 
https://www.theverge.com/authors/victoria-song

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0:00.0

This is an IHeart podcast.

0:02.5

Guaranteed human.

0:06.6

CallZone Media.

0:08.8

Hello and welcome to Better Offline.

0:10.7

I'm your host, Ed Zittron.

0:26.4

Bye, T-shirt, subscribe to the premium newsletter. Pledge yourself to the Zitron's Graveyard Smash.

0:29.2

And this is, of course, Hater season.

0:30.9

And we're joined by two of the greatest haters to ever do it.

0:33.8

Victoria's Song of the Verge.

0:35.9

Hello, and I hate things.

0:57.0

That's right. And of course, Alex Cranes, and that's just, I'm kidding. That's, that is just me flawlessly saying the word Alex. I hated it. That was the worst pronunciation of my name ever, but I think it works for the, for the show today. It works for the show and also people say my name wrong all the time, so I need to get one wrong. Zytron, right? Ed Zytron?

0:59.0

Zytron. Zytron is the most... That one I'm just like, do you pronounce everything like the word

1:05.9

high? Anyway, Victoria, we'll start off with you because you told me beforehand you hate the word wellness.

1:11.9

I'd love to understand why.

1:16.0

We have to start with like a soul cleansing of breath like they do in those wellness studios that you sometimes get yoga in.

1:24.6

But yeah, so normally my beat is wellness and health, not wellness, wearables and

1:29.8

health tech. And that is increasingly now being co-opted by the word wellness, which is

1:35.0

nine out of ten times a grift. And so my job has become someone who, it's changed from someone

1:43.2

who evaluates technology to someone who is like, is this snake oil? Oh my God, it's changed from someone who evaluates technology to someone who is like, is this snake oil?

1:47.5

Oh my God, it's snake oil.

1:49.1

Let me explain why it's snake oil.

1:50.9

Oh, they want your piss and your pee and everything is dystopian.

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