Trigger warning.

This podcast contains descriptions of various abusive situations.

Listener discretion is advised.

They believe that if you don't do what they say,

if you don't believe and view the world in the same ruins as they do,

then you're going to go to hell when you die.

That's the bottom line.

That's what keeps people theirs because they're afraid of going to hell.

You are listening to the Preacher Boys podcast, a podcast shedding light on decades of mental, physical, and sexual abuse within the independent fundamental Baptist movement.

The testimony shared on this podcast are told from the personal experience and perspective of the survivors.

Not all legal outcomes are known or final.

Any suspect is presumed innocent until proven guilty in the court of law.

To find more information about the Preacher Boys podcast and upcoming documentary,

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Instagram or Twitter with a handle at Preacher Boys Doc. Now, here's your host, Eric Squarsinski.

Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Preacher Boys podcast. I'm so excited to welcome Zach Phelps Roper onto the show today.

Zach, obviously, you know, I mentioned in the intro beforehand, you know, people are probably fairly familiar with Westboro Church at large.

But it's, it's pretty rare to get to hear from someone who is a former member.

But I just want to know,

I was re-watching Louis Thoreau's documentary. And one thing that just comes to mind right away is

like, these are actual people. Like this is a family. These are, you know, people with real life

experiences, you know, they go and hang out. They have, you know, family activities. Like,

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