We're continuing our partnership with Learn Liberty today and joining me is the former

president of the ACLU, a board member for Fire, Epic, and the heterodox academy, a professor

at New York Law School and author of the new book, Hate, Why We Should Resist It With Free

Speech Not Censorship.

Nadine Strasson, welcome to the Ruben Reborn.

Great to be here, Dave.

So I have to tell you, when I was reading through your bio and looking at all the boards

you've sat on and head of the ACLU and all that, I don't know that anyone has ever been

more of sort of a perfect prime guest to sit in that chair.

And my prior book, Defending Pornography, I assume that also caught your attention.

We can get into that too.

But really, your life's work is sort of exactly why I do this show and I know I'm setting

you up now with a very high bar here, but this is what it's all about.

Well, thank you so much and thank you for your ardent defense of liberty.

That is the most important value for me.

And when people ask me what my politics are, I usually say I care more about my civil

libertarian beliefs than I care about partisan political beliefs.

And one of the things that's true for the ACLU, as well as for me as an individual, is

not taking per se across the board positions on any candidate official party or group.

But judging on an issue by issue basis and issuing criticism or praise on an issue by

issue basis.

And there's not a single party or candidate or official that has earned some praise and

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