HASC Hearing: Outside Perspectives on the AUMF
The Lawfare Podcast
The Lawfare Institute
4.7 • 6.4K Ratings
🗓️ 27 February 2015
⏱️ 99 minutes
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Summary
On Thursday of this week, Lawfare’s Benjamin Wittes and Bobby Chesney, along with General Jack Keane, appeared before the House Armed Services Committee to provide “Outside Perspectives on the President’s Proposed Authorization for the Use of Military Force Against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL).” It’s an in-depth hearing that delves extensively into the President’s proposed AUMF, its merits and its flaws, and how those failings can be addressed. For today’s podcast, we’ve removed any non-AUMF discussion so that only the most relevant parts are included.
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| 0:25.6 | no bull and the aftermath. |
| 0:32.1 | If I have one message for this committee, it is think about the new authorization in |
| 0:39.8 | interaction with the prior authorization because otherwise you end up talking about |
| 0:46.2 | restrictions that aren't real restrictions and you also end up doing all kinds of things |
| 0:51.7 | that you don't know you're doing or you don't mean to be doing because there are these |
| 0:57.0 | other documents out there. |
| 0:59.9 | Think about it as though you had to today answer the question, what force do we want to |
| 1:09.2 | be authorizing overseas in general against the groups that we might want to use force |
| 1:16.1 | against? |
| 1:17.8 | And some of that involves rewriting the old AUMF and some of it involves the discrete |
| 1:24.3 | expansion of it into the ISIL and associated forces department. |
| 1:29.3 | But think about that question holistically, don't try to think about it as, you know, |
| 1:34.2 | hey, what can we add that's on ISIL in particular because then you end up with restrictions |
| 1:41.1 | that don't seem to mean what they say. |
| 1:44.5 | I'm Sebastian Brady and this is the Law Fair podcast February 28, 2015. |
| 1:50.9 | That was Benjamin Wittis you just heard, editor-in-chief of Law Fair in a senior fellow |
| 1:54.3 | with the Brookings Institution. |
| 1:56.3 | This week Ben, along with Law Fair's Bobby Chesney and General Jack Keen, appeared before |
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