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Has Xi Jinping Unified His Own Enemies? | Robert Suettinger

American Thought Leaders

The Epoch Times

Politics, Government, News

4.91.2K Ratings

🗓️ 14 March 2026

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Summary

To understand the significance of the sweeping military purges in China and how Beijing is reacting to America’s war with Iran, I’m sitting down with eminent China scholar Robert Suettinger, a former CIA and State Department intelligence analyst, a senior advisor at The Stimson Center, and author of “The Conscience of the Party: Hu Yaobang, China’s Communist Reformer.”

“There’s no question of the fact that Xi Jinping is now less of a dominant leader than he was six or eight months ago,” Suettinger says.

Earlier this year, Xi purged two top generals from the CCP’s military brass, on the heels of earlier purges last year. Now, only two of the originally seven members of the Central Military Commission remain. One of them is Xi himself; the other one, General Zhang Shengmin, is a political commander and has, like Xi, no combat experience.

After the January purges, Xi issued an order to the military demanding that everyone acknowledge him as the head of the military commission. “The silence from all those military commands has been deafening and has been noticed by everybody,” Suettinger says.

In the Chinese Communist Party itself, Xi is also facing trouble.

The CCP is not a monolithic party, he told me, but a complex entity with many competing factions: “There’s a Shanghai group, there’s a Shandong group, there’s a Shaanxi group, and they all don’t like each other,” Suettinger says.

Suettinger believes that Xi’s many purges have unified opposition against him not only in the military but also within the Communist Party. “Xi is hated by almost everybody in China,” he said.

Another reason the cracks in the system, as he put it, are beginning to be more evident, is that the Chinese economy hasn’t been doing well in many years: “The Chinese people are very unhappy that their wealth opportunities are disappearing. Graduates coming out of colleges are not able to find good jobs. People who have good jobs are losing them. People who are operating in the gig economy are losing their jobs. The farmers don’t have anything to do when they go back home.”

People outside of China don’t usually know how poor vast numbers of Chinese citizens still are, Suettinger told me. China’s Premier Li Keqiang himself stated in May 2020 during a press conference that 600 million people live below the poverty line and don’t even earn enough to rent a room in mid-sized Chinese cities.

Where is China’s totalitarian system headed? The system, Suettinger argued, is way more fragile than it looks. “It is brittle, and when it breaks, it tends to break hard, and it tends to melt in ways that are not predictable,” he said.

Notably, the CCP has not come out to meaningfully support its longtime ally, Iran. The CCP has long utilized Iran to distract America and keep its focus on the Middle East, Suettinger says, but now, to Beijing’s chagrin, America is effectively neutralizing this longtime CCP proxy.

Views expressed in this video are opinions of the host and the guest, and do not necessarily reflect the views of The Epoch Times.

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There has been a level of shock that the United States has not only been able to,

0:06.0

but willing to engage in these kinds of operational matters against major enemies of ours and friends of theirs.

0:15.0

What do the U.S. decapitation strikes on Iran mean for Xi Jinping and the future of the Chinese regime.

0:22.2

They are perfectly happy to take advantage of forces in the world that are adamantly opposed to the United States

0:29.4

and use them to their advantage and to keep the eyes off of the problems in East Asia.

0:34.6

Today I sit down with eminent China scholar Robert Soudinger, a former CIA and State

0:40.0

Department intelligence analyst, and author of The Conscience of the Party, Huyaobang,

0:45.9

China's communist reformer.

0:47.7

The silence from all those military commands has been deafening.

0:50.8

There is a great deal of stress about what is it that Xi Jinping really wants us to do.

0:56.0

Why is Xi Jinping purging his own military leadership? And what does this reveal about the People's Liberation Army?

1:03.0

The system is actually more fragile than it looks. It is brittle. And when it breaks, it tends to break hard.

1:11.6

This is American Thought Leaders, and I'm Yon Yek.

1:15.6

Robert Sudinger, such a pleasure to have you on American Thought Leaders.

1:23.6

Thank you, Jan. It's a pleasure to be here.

1:26.6

Congratulations on an incredible book. American Thought Leaders. Thank you, Jan. It's a pleasure to be here.

1:30.9

Congratulations on an incredible book.

1:33.5

I have to ask you right away. We've had the U.S. engage in two decapitation strikes against major allies of the Chinese Communist Party, Venezuela and most recently Iran. What is the impact of

1:47.6

that on the Chinese Communist Party leadership? I think it's probably a matter of considerable

1:55.2

concern and discussion and worry that they maybe have been wrong about Trump all along,

2:05.6

and that there is more to his policies than they had given him credit for.

2:11.6

I think that there has been a level of shock that the United States has not only been able to,

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