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🗓️ 13 October 2025
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Following the ceasefire brokered between Israel and Hamas, Donald Trump arrived triumphantly in Israel and delivered a speech to a rapturous Israeli parliament – some of whom wore red MAGA-style hats adorned with the words ‘Trump the peace president’. Trump is now in Egypt for further negotiations over securing a long-term peace in Gaza – but how realistic is it?
Dan DePetris, foreign affairs columnist for the Chicago Tribune, joins Freddy Gray to discuss Trump’s achievement. Dan argues that this is just phase one and, given he believes Netanyahu has ‘no long-term strategy’, peace is a long way off. Could Netanyahu still stonewall further progress? What about the Iranian issue? And is Trump’s desire for peace alluding him on the domestic front?
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| 0:34.2 | Hello and welcome back to the Americano show, where we talk about power, politics and prejudices in American life. |
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| 1:06.7 | I'm delighted to be joined today by Daniel DePetrus, who is a fellow at Defence Priorities, |
| 1:12.9 | and a writer at a number of places, including The Spectator, where we are always grateful for his work. |
| 1:19.5 | And we're going to be talking about Gaza and the Middle East and of course Donald Trump, |
| 1:24.6 | because Donald Trump has been in Israel today. He spoke at the Knesset, |
| 1:29.4 | Israel's parliament. He gave what I thought was rather some triumphal address about having achieved |
| 1:36.9 | a ceasefire. The hostages, of course, have been handed over today. And it felt like a historic |
| 1:43.8 | occasion. And indeed, in in many ways it was. |
| 1:47.6 | Daniel, your thoughts, firstly, do you think Donald Trump was justified in sounding as |
| 1:52.3 | triumphed as he did today? |
| 1:54.0 | Well, thank you, Freddie, for having me. |
| 1:55.6 | Look, I think Trump is very legitimately happy with, you know, with his diplomatic initiatives. He's tried very, very |
| 2:04.3 | strongly and forcefully over the last several months to kind of poke and prod to see if there |
| 2:10.1 | was an opportunity to strike an agreement between two irascible parties who obviously have |
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