Has Trump’s war given Iran 'permanent leverage'?
Brian Lehrer: A Daily Politics Podcast
WNYC Studios
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🗓️ 9 April 2026
⏱️ 22 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | from WNYC studios. I'm Brian Lerer. This is my daily politics podcast. It's Thursday, April 9th. |
| 0:15.1 | On day two of the U.S. Iran ceasefire, look at some of these headlines. The Washington Post, |
| 0:20.5 | after Trump pauses war, |
| 0:22.7 | Iranian fly flags of victory, not surrender. The Hill. Trump lost his nerve and surrendered to a |
| 0:30.6 | beaten Iran. The Atlantic. Trump made a deal that gives him nothing he wanted. And an article in |
| 0:37.0 | The New Yorker begins like this. A temporary |
| 0:39.5 | truce can't erase the chaos of a war that the White House started and never fully understood. |
| 0:46.6 | Now, we'll talk to a global affairs journalist Ishaun Thore who wrote that New Yorker article |
| 0:50.6 | in just a minute. But first, in case you weren't listening at 6.30 last night when we |
| 0:55.6 | run the show Marketplace, here's a clip. This runs a minute of economist Muhammad El Arrian |
| 1:01.0 | laying out four sequential stages of economic impact the war is having, some of which we |
| 1:08.6 | haven't even seen yet. But let me think in terms of the four phases, and we are now, the U.S. in phase two and |
| 1:16.5 | phase three elsewhere. |
| 1:18.4 | While we started the year well, we got a massive shock in the shape of the war. |
| 1:24.0 | We had the first phase, which is done, and we are living with it higher energy prices than |
| 1:29.6 | would have been otherwise and higher interest rates than it would have been otherwise. |
| 1:34.3 | We then got phase two, which is more inflation in the pipeline. |
| 1:39.5 | That's where the U.S. is now as the largest economy. |
| 1:43.0 | Parts of Asia, unfortunately, have moved to phase three, which is not only you get phase |
| 1:49.0 | one and phase two, but you also get demand destruction. |
| 1:53.0 | So you start worrying about economic growth. |
| 1:55.0 | And of course, phase four, which I hope we never get to, would be financial instability |
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