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Hello, I'm Alfa. I'm Andrew. And you're listening to the New

Statesman podcast. On today's episode, we discuss the fallout from Rishi Sunak's Spring

Statement, Plus Partygate, and you ask us, will Jimmy Wallace, coming out as trans,

changed the tone of the political debate about trans rights?

So Anish is on holiday this week, so I'm very pleased to be joined by Andrew Marrow,

political editor. Andrew, you've been on the podcast before, but it's our first time appearing

together. So welcome. Thank you very much. It's exciting. We're in this very strange basement

in the Red Lion. Where all the Westminster gossip happened. Yes, so nice to be recording here.

This is basically our first chance to really debrief after the Spring Statement.

Anish and I recorded a sort of snap verdict right after the statement, but a lot has happened

in the week since. So, Andrew, I'm wondering what you make of this idea that the week that

Rishi Sunak's hopes of ever becoming Prime Minister were facially dashed.

In short, yes, I've been covering budgets and spring statements and autumn statements and all

of that since 1984, and I don't remember one landing quite this badly, quite this fast. It

was used to say a budget which lands well on the day looks really bad week later, and this is

unique because it landed very badly on the day and a week later and the day later, a few days later,

it was still as bad. It's interesting. We can talk about how bad that reaction was as well, but I

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