Hello and welcome to The Spectator's Americano podcast, a series of discussions about American politics and the Trump presidency in 2017.

I'm Freddie Gray and I'm Deputy Editor of the Spectator.

I'm joined today by Jacob Halbrun, the editor of the national interest.

And we're going to be asking,

has Steve Bannon been sidelined within the Trump administration? And if so, what does that

mean for the future of President Trump? Jacob, we had the rather surprising news yesterday

that Steve Bannon had been removed from the principals committee of the National

Security Council. How do you interpret that? The truth is that Trump feels quite comfortable

in the swamp, as it were. He's been splashing around. He is frustrated by the difficulties

that he's encountered.

And the principal author of Bannon's demise is Jared Kushner, Trump's son-in-law.

Kushner comes from the corporate world and has been increasingly vexed by the turmoil and infighting that has taken place in the

administration.

And I don't think that Krishna has any extremely defined views on foreign or even domestic

policy.

He's somewhere between a liberal Republican and a conservative Democrat would be my assumption.

And this is a sign that the revolution is devouring its children.

Bannon, Mike Flynn, Paul Manafort, these were all the authors of Trump's success in ascending to the presidency.

But now that he's actually become president, he has to dispense with the radicals, the extremists, the people who glommed onto his campaign when it looked like it was a losing

enterprise. When Trump actually won, he had to confront the staffing issue and he still hasn't

resolved it. And Kushner, go back to Kushner. I mean, we know that Kushner and Ivanka are in their

social life, are friends with, they mingle with people like Tony Blair, and certainly sort of elite people in Washington now, who would regard Bannon with as much horror as any progressive liberal.

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