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Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots and Spectator's Daily Politics Podcast. I'm Katie Balls and I'm joined by James Forsyfe and Issafe and Isva Hardman. And we are six days into lockdown. That's right. It's not even a week yet. Yet already the government is talking about tightening restrictions over concerns that the lockdown is not working, which is partly they think down to low adherence

among members of the public. James, what type of measures do you think we can see to tighten

what's already a fairly strict lockdown? And when exactly do you think this might happen?

Yeah, so when Fraser and I interviewed Matt Hancock for magazine last week, he was saying how

his biggest regret about the pandemic was some of the kind of unintentional consequences of magazine last week. He was saying how his biggest regret about the

pandemic was some of the kind of unintentional consequence of the first lockdown. He cited people not

going to people's funerals, for example, as an illustration of that. But I think one of the problems

you get into is when you try to make lockdown more humane, you introduce support bubbles,

you try to keep religious services going. You have

childcare bubbles. All of these things at the margins have some effect. And right now,

hospitals are, as Chris Whitty, the chief medical officer has been out on a media round this

morning saying, are under huge pressure. Now, given that we know that there's normally a two to three week lag

from measures to those measures translating into an effect on hospitalisations and the pressure on

the health service, I think it would be slightly premature for the government to tighten up restrictions.

But, you know, I think one thing that you've not lost money against, betting against in this crisis is, but the government's saying it's not

going to do something and then feeling that the sheer force of the number of the pressure on

hospitals forcing it into action earlier than it wants to. Isabel, one of the things that the

government and health officials seem particularly

disappointed in the public on is going for walks while holding cups of coffee. As it stands,

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