You joke about how you may disagree politically,

but as you said, Cornell, is that deeper human element

that allows that disagreement not to be so personal

and so toxic that as we would joke about Thanksgiving

during the Trump era, people just, they stopped seeing

grandma. I'm not going to Grandma's house because she supports Trump and I can't deal with that.

Or I'm not going to hang out with cousin Joe because he's a Biden guy and I just, I can't deal with

that. What is it that we've lost when you think about that inquiry and

deliberation that Aristotle referred to that has now disabled our ability to communicate with each

other?

Well, if I say a few words about that and then turn it over to Cornell.

Sure.

Our disagreements are obvious.

Cornell's honorary chairman of Democratic Socialists of America, and I'm not honorary

democracy.

I'm a traditional, old school, conservative.

But I think that may obscure the profound points of commonality that really are deeper.

Number one, I see in my brother Cornell a truth seeker, someone who has not fallen so in love with his own opinions

that he would rather persist in his opinions than have to give them up under the pressure of rational

scrutiny and rational argument far from uh treating challenges or criticisms as personal attacks, which a lot of people

do today.

Yeah.

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