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Offline with Jon Favreau

Has Google Created a Soul?

Offline with Jon Favreau

Crooked Media

Society & Culture, News

4.72K Ratings

🗓️ 26 June 2022

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

Last week, Nitasha Tiku, Tech Culture reporter for The Washington Post, broke the story of a Google engineer who claimed the company’s artificial intelligence chatbot, LaMDA, was sentient. She joins Jon to give a first-hand account of what the Google engineer saw inside its chatbot and make the case that the real fear shouldn’t be whether AI is alive, but whether it’s real enough to fool us.

Transcript

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0:00.9

Now that I've sort of dug into your story

0:03.6

and thought about Lambda, I mean, the worry I have

0:06.4

is like, look, a bunch of morons

0:08.3

were arguably less sentient than Lambda,

0:10.9

persuaded a frighteningly significant number

0:13.9

of Americans at the last election was stolen.

0:16.0

So how easily will people be deceived

0:19.1

with AI that is perceived as sentient,

0:21.9

especially since we now spend most of our lives online?

0:26.0

I mean, I don't wanna be alarmist,

0:27.5

but it's really even worse than that.

0:31.4

You know, this whole discussion around sentience

0:36.2

is really, I mean, this is what researchers say aptly

0:42.0

is a faint, a distraction from some of the real world problems,

0:47.1

the very immediate and urgent problems

0:49.3

with the way these AI systems are deployed right now.

0:54.6

I'm John Fabru, welcome to offline.

0:58.5

Hey everyone, my guest this week is Natasha Tiku,

1:01.5

tech culture reporter for the Washington Post.

1:04.5

Last week, Natasha broke the story of a software engineer

1:07.5

at Google who claimed the company's chatbot AI was sentient.

1:12.5

Her story had all the markings of a dystopian science fiction movie,

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